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Work Related Problems With Concealed Carry: Double Standards?


Reader Alex sent us the following message about his work situation:

So at my job I am not allowed to carry at work because it is against company policy. So I was like ok fine that sucks. So every day before I go in for work I will take my gun out of my holster and lock it in my glove box. I still wear the holster though because one already broke from putting it on after work. Today my boss saw the little clips on my holster (after a month of wearing my holster to work) and told me that I can’t bring that into work. I was like its an empty holster my gun is in my car locked in the glove box. He proceeds to tell me that I can’t have a weapon on company property even if it’s locked in my car. Meanwhile he is breaking the same rule by having a pocket knife on his person and (2) 5″ pocket knives in his desk and at least a few more in his truck. What should I do about the situation I’m stuck in. I don’t want to leave my house without my firearm. In the past week their was a stabbing at a club, A shooting in broad daylight, cars are being broken into and items taken. All of these have happened less than a mile away from where I work.

A knife certainly isn’t a gun, but what gives? No weapons means no weapons. Funny, I carry a knife with me all the time and refer to it as a tool. I do the same with my firearm. So in my eyes, Alex isn’t looking to carry a weapon at all. Problem solved! It’s not that easy, is it.

If it were me and it wasn’t illegal to carry while I was working (even though they say I can’t), I’d just wear a more discreet holster.

What would you do if you were Alex?

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Brandon is the founder of Concealed Nation and is an avid firearm enthusiast, with a particular interest in responsible concealed carry. His EDC is a Glock 27 that holds Hornady…

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  • Brandon McMillan

    Would have taken the holster off also…

    • AZDave

      Agree Brandon. Why the problem taking off an empty holster? If you want to keep your job lose the holster. I’d be more apt to look for another job because of the firearms policy.

      • Norman Hammond

        Removing and reapplying holster’s can be a real inconvenience, especially if it’s a belt loop style. You look like your “undressing” in the parking lot.

  • Eliott Kroll

    Check to see if your state has a parking lot law. Many companies will include it in their policy for liability purposes even if they can’t legally enforce it.

    • Norman Hammond

      If companies cannot legally enforce company policies, then those policies are illegal by merit of their own unenforceability.

  • Doug Rowan

    In the states I’ve lived in it wasn’t illegal to do so, I carried 100% of the time. Concealed is just that. I realize that in some jobs it’s tougher than others, but for that I found the LCP 380 works great for deep conceal and won’t leave you without protection. I can carry the “elsie” and an extra mag in pretty much any clothing without anyone ever knowing. Most times I doubt my wife even knows which gun I’m carrying :) There are a few states that have laws against employers preventing the firearms in parking lots, however at the end of the day it is your lively hood, so it’s a call that is personal. I’m of the belief my life is worth more than a job, but that’s me.

  • Tater Salad

    First, check the State Law. Many States now have laws which forbid employers from making any restrictions about weapons in your vehicle (unless it’s on Federal Property…).


    Lose the holster at work. Do you have a place in the office you can secure it (a locker or desk) so it is not in your hot car? If not, then get a better holster. A quality leather holster or even a kydex one is not going to get screwed up quickly unless you throw it up on the dash in direct sunlight and scorching heat.

    No reason to advertise you have a gun in your car. They may not be able to fire you for that reason but if they are dicks they can certainly make your life hell until you quit.

    Good luck.

  • EdC

    Decide how important that job was to me. If I wanted to keep it, I’d visit HR and get a copy of the actual company policy and consider how it applied to knives, gun and weapons. I’d also consult an attorney about the policy of weapons in cars and look at where I might change my parking location to. As for saying something about an empty, unobtrusive holster, I’d tell him it’s none of his business.

  • g

    I wear a deep concealment holster, it is slower on the draw but there are no clips to show. It takes some time to be comfortable with and there will be an extra bulge in the crotch area but regardless of your work policy it is undetected. Look at the delivery drivers that carry and the doctors that carry against their company policies, their choice may save a life some day.

  • Biggie

    I would ignore that request of having a your firearm in your car. They cannot search it without a warrant . Strip the holster and be done with it. I would also remind them that they carry all liability in the event you are attacked while on the job without the means to defend yourself.

    • David Rosier

      They can fire you for refusing a search.

      • NotARealAcct

        Not true

        • clay

          Yes it is true, if it is their policy. In some states they can fire you without explanation. NC is one of those states.

          • Ed

            That wouldn’t be without explanation. They are firing you for exercising your constitutional rights. Some states like Florida even have laws against exactly this. It goes by your state. If i got fired for that, I would immediately call the SAF and get an attorney.

          • clay

            The point is, if your state allows it, and it’s company policy, the CAN fire you for not allowing a search.

          • Ed

            South creations, also. My company has the exact same restrictions, spelled out in the employee handbook.

          • Coglin

            We had a similar issue in the plant I work at. I spoke to my attorney, who directly contacted our HR department. They had a nice discussion about how it is illegal to have a policy requiring employees to forgo constitutional rights such as search and seizure in an area marked and designated for parking.
            They were directed to an article in our state law that allows me to physically defend my property. As you have the same rights in my state in with your vehicle as you do your home. Our law specifically states that any area set designated for parking cannot be searched without a warrant, as well as permitted to maintain a firearm in said locked vehicle.
            What that all boils down to, is that if I approach my vehicle, and see anyone attempting to enter it or having already enter it, I am legally permitted to defend it. In other words, if I walk out and management is with security, going through my vehicle, I am equally covered under the law to pick up the largest rock I can find and start swinging.

          • Terry Rhuebottom

            NC has laws that allow for Firearms in the Parking lots of any employers. They can not tell you what you can have in your own personal property.

          • clay

            Terry, unfortunately, you are incorrect. An employer can tell you not to have a firearm on their property, including in your car in their parking lot.

        • David Rosier

          When you go to work for any major corporation you are told that you and your vehicle are subject to search on demand while on company property. If you do not agree to this you will not work there period. If you refuse, your employment will be terminated on the spot.

        • Michael Rocco

          Depends on where you live. Pennsylvania’s Supreme Court ruled on this exact situation and upheld the firing. It’s also a private property issue.

      • Terry Rhuebottom

        Definitely not true. Hell here in NC you can legally secure your weapon in your vehicle regardless of company policy. I’ve even had the misfortune to have to defend myself once while getting out of my truck in the “Secured” Parking lot at my work. They tried a bunch of crap but as soon as I mentioned the word Lawyer they dropped everything because they knew I was in the right to be able to defend myself.

        • clay

          Well, you’re welcome to think that, but the statutes are pretty clear in NC.

    • jimks

      Sorry, but you are more likely wrong than right. Most employers have you sign a document when you are hired that says….. you will follow company policies and you are agreeing to your vehicle being searched at any time, or face termination.

      • Terry Rhuebottom

        I have never had an employer have me sign something stating that they can search my vehicle.

  • ThisIsSloth

    Check to see if your state has a law stating that an employer cannot fire you for having a weapon in your vehicle. A few states have enacted laws like this due pussified companies.

    • tom

      If your state does not have a law allow you to leave your gun in the car, then start a petition to get the law change or to put it on the ballot for the voters to decide.

    • BlueSCCY

      Florida does :)

    • Crusty Rusty

      Kentucky is the same way. If an employer hassles you about a weapon in the vehicle, you can sue them.

  • tie_banana

    Eff him

  • woss

    If it were me, and it is as my employer has the exact same policy, they will never be allowed to search any of my vehicles unless a search warrant and police are involved and there is no probable cause for that to happen. And a holster is not a weapon, end of story.

    • David Rosier

      They can fire you for refusing a search.

      • NotARealAcct

        That is not true in any state for any reason

        • Just the facts

          Honestly. That statement right there is not true If you are a “right to work state” they can fire you for anything. Even if your farts smell

          • JT

            Not necessarily true. In a ‘right to work state’ the employer can fire you without providing a reason. However, if they do provide cause, they subject themselves to any termination/discrimination laws on the books.

            For example, If I run a modelling agency and let go a person who no longer fits the physical profile for my clients. I can’t say “I’m firing you because you got fat”, but I can say “Your service is no longer needed.”

        • David Rosier

          As I responded to your above erroneous statement. When you go to work for any major corporation you are told that you and your vehicle are subject to search on demand while on company property. If you do not agree to this you will not work there period. If you refuse, your employment will be terminated on the spot.

      • woss

        Laughing my ass off at that one^^^^. Any labor lawyer would laugh too.

  • John Cheek Jr

    I would find a good deep concealed holster that is easy to work with and draw and carry anyway. I would rather ask for forgiveness and be tried by 12 than carried by 6 and my family wonder why I was not carrying.

  • 1911HeadBanger

    There were some companies in Oklahoma and Louisiana that tried that crap. They got sued by a couple of employees because if they can’t have it on company property, then they means they can’t have one off company property while traveling to and from work.
    I don’t know what state you’re in, but after that became an issue, Louisiana and Oklahoma passed laws that employers could not forbid firearms being locked in the car in the parking lot, so that you could have a gun going to and from work. May want to check your state laws to see if that’s the case.
    A former employer of mine tried doing the same thing. I had to drive to work sometimes at 3 AM or sometimes late in the evening. No way pal. You’re not disarming me on my own time as I drive back and forth. I kept my full sized pistol in my car and I also had a discreetly carried S&W 38 Titanium in a hidden pocket of my backpack, that stayed at my desk. Some days, when I would not be at my desk, I simply carried my NAA 22 mag in a pocket holster. Screw ’em if they want to fire me. I never got caught over 6 years working there. I was never searched. And I never mouthed off or bragged about it.
    Leave your damn holster in the car. It’s only from your “demand” and stupidity, that everyone know you’re armed by obviously wearing an empty holster. Get over your showmanship and keep your mouth shut. Play dumb about guns and be discreet.

  • Dan Moore

    Get a paddle holster that can be slipped on and off easily.

  • David Rosier

    This guy says there have been cars broken into and yet he locks his gun in the glove compartment. That is not secure. A screw driver and ten seconds and that gun is in the hands of a criminal. At least get a micro safe. I have the same situation where I work so I can sympathize but we have to be responsible and keep our guns secure.

  • oldhess

    I’m a nurse on a psych unit so there is absolutely without a doubt no firearms. Even LEO’S are required to lock up their arms. It sucks but what do you do? Your family needs to eat right. I’d say park off site. If it’s a distance away throw a bike on the back of your car Again it sucks but it beats the alternative. Snd you seriously wear an empty holster all day? That’s ridiculous.

  • Virgil Kirkland

    Same thing working for the post office… have to leave it at home… sucks.

    • Mark A. Rucker

      I work for the Postal Service also. A lot people park out on the street when they have their firearm with them. They don’t park on government property. We are subject for search while on property.

      • Virgil Kirkland

        Mark, I use to do that when I worked for a smaller office. Now that I work in a much larger office (which is located in a bad area) and I work graveyard now, I run the risk of my vehicle being broken into.

  • Joe

    Get a “pocket rod” and nobody will be the wiser. If the “boss” is the owner he does what he wants. If not, then what’s the company policy about weapons? Does the penal code say what size knife is illegal? If the knives are illegal then ya gotta valid beef.

  • Reid Blackwell

    Why would you wear an empty holster all day at work. you brought this on yourself by wearing an empty holster as a statement.

    • josh

      He already stated that he doesn’t want to take it off because he had one break from taking it off frequently. The bigger issue is that his boss was able to see his holster in the first place. That’s not concealed.

      • Paul Clark

        He needs to buy better holsters, if they break just taking them off. Can you park off their property and walk to work? You offered up too much information about the location of your gun and the fact that you were still wearing your holster didn’t help. Pick a location in you vehicle they couldn’t find and put it there just in case they decide to search your car, don’t wear an empty holster. You should have received a policy manual when you were hired, check it and see if it says they can search your car. If they can’t well leave it in the car and quit telling them where it is.

    • Terry Rhuebottom

      He explained that one holster already broke from removing it and reapplying it. I use to work in a plant with my drop leg open carry holster on all the time. Employees complained and Management tried to get me to remove it but there was nothing in policy that states I was breaking any rules. My firearm was not in the building. When they pressed further I simply gave them my attorney’s contact information and everything suddenly went stopped.

  • Tonga Saurus

    Depending on how much I like my job, I would consider a new one…if THATS not an option, I would strip the Holster off and get myself a HIGH QUALITY fast opening Knife…..AND……learn how to use it as a weapon.
    I cannot carry a firearm at my job, but I do carry a very nice benchmade auto. I use it for cutting boxes and as a tool all the time, no one thinks of it as a weapon. But, I also have had training on its use as one. I would feel more secure with my firearm, but at least the knife leaves me somewhat less defenseless.

  • Norman Hammond

    No concealed firearms permitted signage laws only apply to building entry restrictions, not parking lots. The LAW, much less businesses cannot regulate the parking lot. It is perfectly legal to possess firearms outside posted buildings, right up to the entrance. Otherwise, what’s the point of posting on the entrance door in order to be able to read the warning sign to prevent you from the breaking the law if the sign doesn’t actually protect you from breaking the law in the first place. Unless of course if on federally owned or controlled property. Holster and ammo/magazine’s are not firearms and are perfectly legal to possess inside where firearms arms are forbidden. That’s why the law specifies firearms or hand guns. Liberal’s are stupid and think they’re the same things. And store your firearms in the trunk of the car where it will be most secure from theft.

    Employer’s CANNOT place restrictions on your RIGHTS to have the ability to protect yourself to and from work. Inform your boss about your RIGHTS under the LAW and that the LAW trumps his B.S. store policies.

  • Ed

    What state are you in? Check for a parking lot law. Many states have them and even if it doesn’t, it is your private vehicle. If the holster breaks from taking it on and off get a different one for when you are going to work that won’t or just keep it in your glove box from the start. Don’t tell your boss anything and if he asks to look in the car tell him no.

    • Norman Hammond

      There are NO enforceable parking lot LAWS or policies or ordinances concerning possession! Parking Lots CANNOT be regulated under the LAW! There’s a wonderful book called “Everything you need to know about concealed carry” for your named State.

  • Guy Roberts

    My State, Florida is right to work State. Your employers can fire you for any reason not protected by law. A fairly new law here is if you have a conceal carry permit, your employer cannot fire you for having a weapon in your vehicle in the company parking lot.
    Since the business is considered private property, they have the right to not allow weapons on their premises. As for the Boss that has knives, maybe a complaint to the HR or Corporate office would be in line. If it’s a small company, His game/his rules.

  • Rick Oelkers

    Ankle Holster

  • Mike Osborne

    I think I would look for a different job.

  • icy69hot

    Derringer solves it, too small to see, no holster needed and if you don’t say anything your ok.

  • Armyman

    You were silly to tell him it was locked in car.

  • disqus_ABapx1oag7

    In Virginia it is unlawful to carry in a home or business after you have been told not to. But in Virginia an employer cannot prohibit you from having a firearm in your vehicle. Not sure how important this job is to you but it may be time to start looking for a gun friendly business. What state are you in?

  • Dillion W

    thunderwear it is

  • Molon Labe

    Get a shoulder rig and wear it under your shirt.

  • Chris L.

    If the posted picture is yours then you are in IL like myself. If thats the case part of the new CC laws dictate that you ARE allowed to lock your firearm in your vehicle before entering a posted no carry building. The only exception to this in IL is court building property and your boss is incorrect.

    Page 9 “Vehicles Are A Safe Haven”

    Btw…Your holster is not a firearm. If need be that can be taken care of with a call to the IL EEOC.

    Hope this helps!

  • Joel Blayney

    Unfortunately, no one has the authority to tell you you cannot have a firearm locked in your car. If its behind a lock its none of their concern, even if its a cop. requires a warrant to open any lock that isnt locked with your car keys.

  • Plumbfast

    Just park your vehicle off the company property. Park in the street near your office if possible. Even if you have to walk a little. As far as company policy goes, my company doesn’t allow you to carry your personal phone with you, that being said everybody has their phones with them. You should’ve invested in a belly band or a tuckable holster that has no clip like a Ramor and just keep the gun with you at all times. They would of never known you had it unless you needed it and at that point your life is more important then your job. The problem now is you are a target and they will be watching to see if you have it on you even if it’s just your holster. If you want to keep it in your car get a gun vault. When they search your car tell them you left the keys for it at the house.

  • A101Wayz

    If the parking lot where you park you car is not gated, and is accessible by the general public, doesn’t that preclude your employer from searching your vehicle?
    Where I work, there are both lots accessible by the general public, and lots that you must drive through a guarded gate. At the entrance to the latter, there are signs posted stating that vehicles on company property are subject to search, and your trunk must be opened upon entering and leaving. However, no such signs are posted in the lots with public access, but in those lots there are ID badge activated turnstiles to get into the building. At these turnstiles, there are signs posted saying that personal effects (purses, briefcases, backpacks) are subject to search.
    So, right or wrong, I wouldn’t allow them to search my vehicle while it’s in the lot with public access without being presented with a search warrant and a local law enforcement officer (and a security guard in the company’s employ is NOT a LEO).

  • DB Murphy

    Your mistake was wearing the empty holster and admitting your gun was in your car. Knowledge is power, and you gave yours away. Keep the gun locked in your glove box anyway. If they want to search your car, tell them you can’t find the key.
    You can have them charged with a crime if they try to break it open. An employer has NO right to damage your property.

  • George Pankey

    Personly if it were me I’d obtain a nice compact 9mm or .380 and put it in a pocket holster and tell the boss “No problem rules are rulers.” Thats what i did untill i retired. It worked for more then ten years, piss on em.