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Concealed Carrier Opens Fire On Shoplifter TAKE 2 — What Part Of ‘Not A Cop’ Is Confusing?


ELKHART, INDIANA — As several people pitched in to try to stop two shoplifters from fleeing the scene of Big R, a concealed carrier allegedly fired a shot at the suspects.  Police questioned the individual but released him.

Just a short time ago, another shoplifter was running out of a Home Depot when a concealed carry permit holder began firing shots at him. He ultimately got away and the permit holder is now facing charges.

The Elkhart Police Department release, distributed via FOX 28, said the following:

“During the chase another subject who was at the store, and not an employee, assisted the employees with chasing the subject and yelling for them to stop. As the subjects who were being chased entered a vehicle the subject who was not a store employee drew a handgun and fired one shot at the suspects. The suspects then fled the scene,” police wrote in a news release.

FOX 28 also confirmed that police determined the shooter had a valid concealed carry permit.  The two shoplifters fled on foot after the concealed carrier fired on shot at them when they tried to flee in a vehicle.

So, Concealed Carry – 0, Criminals – 2.

Let’s do a brief recap:

  • Shoplifting is a crime.

It’s theft from a store where one or more individuals takes item/s that don’t belong to them and leave the store.  It’s called theft.  And big chain stores have insurance and personnel dedicated to “loss prevention”.  When they lose items, they file an insurance claim for the value of the items lost.

  • Shoplifting is not a violent crime.

Yes, it’s larceny.  That’s why they have video surveillance and police officers and the judicial system.

  • A concealed handgun license does not make you a sworn officer.

Sworn officers receive training, are insured by the municipality or state, have strict rules and procedures they have to follow, and more importantly — are sworn to uphold the law.  A concealed carry permit is not the same thing.  At all.

Concealed carriers have the right to defend themselves with a concealed firearm on their person.  That firearm can be used to deliver deadly force if — and only if — the concealed carry interprets a person’s action as a direct and potentially deadly threat against him or her.  A thief with someone else’s belongings, running away from you, does not constitute a potentially deadly threat for yourself or your family.

  • You don’t shoot someone in the back.

The only exception to that being that the person in question is armed and believed to be dangerous and about to inflict injury or harm on someone else illegally.  In states such as Arizona, for instance, you are allowed to step in and administer deadly force if you see someone in the act of a violent felonious crime.  As we’ve covered already — larceny is not generally classified (by itself) as a violent felonious crime.

  • You don’t shoot someone who is fleeing.

In almost every interpretation of ‘Stand Your Ground’, your permission to inflict deadly force onto another person ceases when the person surrenders, is incapacitated, or is fleeing.

  • The principles of firearm safety always apply.

Do not shoot until you know what is in front of and behind your target.  Opening fire on a fleeing suspect necessitates that you don’t.  There’s other cars in the parking lot and there’s other people.  You don’t know who’s crouched down behind a car trying to avoid your gunfire.

This was straight-up ridiculous and irresponsible and this is the sort of cowboy mentality that throws the rest of the community under the bus the second we try to discuss Second Amendment rights in a constructive debate.  Thankfully, the concealed carrier was either a bad shot or just plain lucky because he didn’t hit anyone.  Let this serve as a lesson to the rest of us that this is not acceptable behavior in any civilized society — much less one that comes with the liberty of gun ownership.

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James England is a Marine Corps veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom and has served as a defense contractor in Afghanistan in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. His daily concealed carry…

James England is a Marine Corps veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom and has served as a defense contractor in Afghanistan in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. His daily concealed carry handgun is a Glock 36 in a Lenwood Holsters Specter IWB or his CZ-75D PCR in an Alien Gear MOD holster.

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  • Jim Tebo

    what is wrong with people ? We have it hard enough from the anti-gun people without giving them ammunition to throw at us. I guess this person along with the one at the home depot store either forgot what they learned at CWP classes or they were never taught anything. You can only bring your weapon to bear when your life is in grave danger, or someone else is, you do not shoot a shoplifter, you do not shoot at someone without knowing were that bullet will go, you do not shoot at someone running away and you do not shoot at someone in the back. This person broke every rule in the book, and as a result will have his CWP taken from him and will never be able to get one again and probably will have to do jail time.

  • woss

    There will ALWAYS be a moron or two mixed into ANY group of people

  • Beckie

    All the hype about gun control lately has left some gun owners a little trigger happy.

  • Jim Dean

    These people are NOT helping…geez.

  • Macho Taco

    When I read a story like this, I feel that the CC instructor is at fault. How in the world can a trained CC holder be dumb enough to do what this dolt did? His training must have been flawed, or he lost half his brain after the training.

  • Robert Preston

    The writer of this article needs to review the laws better. …about shooting perps in the back – damn near every state allows for the killing of a perp that has committed a forcible type felony if an arrest cannot be immediately effected. Whether it is in the back or not is irrelevant.

    While this situation wasn’t a forcible felony, the asinine statement about shooting perps in the back or while fleeing is factually wrong. The US Supreme court has ruled long ago that the People still retain police powers to arrest for ANY felony. The most states laws or court rulings have extended that power to misdemeanors and/or breaches of the peace. The blanket statement of shooting folks in the back or while fleeing is bullshit.